"Don't listen to the Africans!"
From Zenit:
Cardinal Kasper: 'Growing Majority' in Synod Support Divorce-Remarriage Proposal
Says Pope Has Problems in His Own Family, Wants to See an "Opening"
Speaking as he came out of Tuesday evening’s small working group discussions, the German cardinal said the Pope has witnessed such problems in his own family and that he has “looked at the laity and seen the great majority are for a reasonable, responsible opening.” The Vatican has not denied that the Pope wants such an “opening” in this area. So, Jorge Bergoglio has some family that is divorced and remarried or have same-sex attraction and the Vicar of Christ on earth wants to change the truth --- an "opening" to make it all nicey, nice? Is Kasper mad? Is he serious? Is this what the Church has been reduced to? Nepotism? Favourtism? This is the height of clericalism and arrogance and if this is the "scent of the people" it stinks to high heaven! Preposterous!The cardinal's proposal to administer holy Communion to some divorced and "remarried" couples after a period of penitence has been roundly criciticsed by a number of senior Church leaders, including Cardinal Gerhard Mueller, the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Raymond Burke, prefect of the Apostolic Signatura, and Cardinal George Pell, prefect of the Vatican Secretariat for the Economy.
Cardinal Kasper also discussed his views on the synod, and appeared to suggest that African views on homosexuality -- where the issue remains a taboo -- are not listened to by the Western delegates in the assembly. Noting how “impossible” it is for Western delegates to comment on African issues, he said likewise “they should not tell us too much what we have to do.”
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Your Eminence, how is everything going in the Synod?
Everything is very quiet now. This morning it was on fire a little bit but of course that’s because of you – the newspapers! Oh yes, Eminence, it is all the fault of John and Mary Catholic. Don't like an educated and aware laity, eh?
Yesterday we were told the “Spirit of Vatican II” was in the synod. Do you agree with this?
This is the spirit of the Council – this is very true. Yeah well, we kinda figured that! It is a "spirit" all right, but it is not the Holy Spirit, more like the "scent' of sulphur!
Have you seen some movement on the divorce and “remarriage” issue?
I hoped there would be some opening and I think the majority is in favor. That is the impression I have, but there is no vote. But I think some opening would be left [to happen]. Perhaps it would also be left to the next part of the synod. Looking for an opening, like a stratagem on a war game!
Have you seen opposition growing to your proposals in the last few days?
No. In the first phase of the synod I saw a growing majority in favor of an opening. I saw it – but it’s more of a feeling. There was no vote. There will be a vote but not yet. So, you saw it or you felt, it. Which is it? There was no vote there will be, which is it? Is it all just really about your "feelings" Eminence Griese!
Do you know how the Holy Father is viewing the synod and how it’s going so far?
He has not said – he’s been silent, he has listened very carefully but it’s clearly what he wants and that’s evident, O he hasn't said but it is clear what he wants? So, has he manipulated this process from the very beginning? What happened to collegiality? He wants a major part of the episcopacy with him and he needs it. He cannot do it against the majority of the episcopacy. So, we've reduced the Catholic Church to nothing more than a democratic NGO? Pure and unadulterated, heresy!
Is there any sense that he’s trying to push things in that direction?
He does not push. His first speech was freedom: freedom of speech, everyone should say what he thinks and what he has on his mind and this was very positive. Yes, indeedy Eminence, but don't let that busybody Catholic with a blog know what was being talked about by their bishop. Nobody is asking: what would the Holy Father think about this? No, they can see the note passing back and forth. What things can I say? This freedom of speech has been very alive here in this synod, more than in others. And so has the secrecy and manipulation.
It has been said that he added five special rapporteurs on Friday to help the general rapporteur, Cardinal Peter Erdo. Is that because he’s trying to push things through according to his wishes?
I do not see this going on in the Pope’s head. Oh really? Then why did he do it? But I think the majority of these five people are open people who want to go on with this. In other words, the other opinions do not count, after all, we're not a democracy. The problem, as well, is that there are different problems of different continents and different cultures. And some cultures are more equal than others. Africa is totally different from the West. Also Asian and Muslim countries, they’re very different, especially about gays. The Church has never labelled people by this word, it is verboten that anyone should be labelled in such a manner. We are born male and female, we are not born "gay". How dare you as a Prince of the Church use the words in this manner against what even us little plebeians know! You can’t speak about this with Africans and people of Muslim countries. It’s not possible. It’s a taboo. For us, we say we ought not to discriminate, we don’t want to discriminate in certain respects. A yes your cultural superiority is starting to show. The racism of low expectation!
But are African participants listened to in this regard?
No, the majority of them [who hold these views won’t speak about them]. Why would that be, Eminence?
They’re not listened to?
In Africa of course [their views are listened to], where it’s a taboo. But let us not learn something from our good little Africans, eh?
What has changed for you, regarding the methodology of this synod?
I think in the end there must be a general line in the Church, general criteria, but then the questions of Africa we cannot solve. Low expectation again? They're special and just not ready for our enlightenment. There must be space also for the local bishops’ conferences to solve their problems but I’d say with Africa it’s impossible [for us to solve]. But they should not tell us too much what we have to do. BINGO! Well, if Jorge Bergoglio can wants to bring his family in this then so do I. As the husband of a beautiful woman from South African that you old Germans would consider subhuman and coloured, you're a flippin' racist! What would Cardinal Napier think, or does he have too much class to tell you? You're an embarrassment to Joseph Ratzinger!
There is a lot of concern about your proposal.
Yes, yes, there’s a lot. Damn right, Eminence!
People are saying that it is causing a lot of confusion among the faithful, and are worried about it. What do you say to that?
I can only speak of Germany Really, I though you were speaking for Africa? where the great majority wants an opening about divorce and remarriage. Well, who cares what the majority of Germans that never go to Mass thinks? It’s the same in Great Britain, I though you could only speak of Germany? it’s everywhere. Not amongst my friends in Canada that go to Mass at least once a week. When I speak to laypeople, also old people who are married for 50, 60 years, they never thought of divorce but they see a problem with their culture and so every family has a problem nowadays. Then they should address it in their family. The Pope also told me that [such problems exist] also in his family, I'm sorry for that, maybe they should have been better catechised in Argentina. Who was responsible for that anyway? and he has looked at the laity and seen the great majority are for a reasonable, responsible opening.
But people feel the Church’s teaching is going to be undermined by your proposal if it passes, that it’s undoing 2,000 years of Church teaching. What is your view on this?
Well nobody is putting into question the indissolubility of marriage. Oh really? Just a watering down on the Real Presence right, because that is the logical connection. I think it wouldn’t be a help for people, but if you look to the word of Jesus, there are different synoptic gospels in different places, in different contexts. It’s different in the Judeo-Christian context and in the Hellenistic context. Mark and Matthew are different. There was already a problem in the apostolic age. The Word of Jesus is clear, but how to apply it in complex, different situations? It’s a problem to do with the application of these words. LIAR!
The teaching does not change?
The teaching does not change but it can be made more profound, it can be different. Then it must change, so which is it? There is also a certain growth in the understanding of the Gospel and the doctrine, a development. Really, after 2000 years we've gotten in wrong? Our famous Cardinal Newman had spoken on the development of doctrine. And you are distorting the Blessed! This is also not a change but a development on the same line. Same thing! Of course, the Pope wants itAh, so the Pope has manipulated the Synod from the outset, is that what you are saying? and the world needs it. No, the world needs the truth proclaimed in season and out! We live in a globalized world and you cannot govern everything from the Curia. There must be a common faith, a common discipline but a different application. Diabolical disorientation!
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What a deceiver.
Is there any doubt that this man has heretical beliefs?
Vox.